Q Games: No interest in more StarFox, Miyamoto doesn't listen to the 'core'
by Randy Nelson 
{ Apr 4th 2009 at 5:00PM }
Q Games president Dylan Cuthbert tells G4 he's done with the StarFox franchise for now. Cuthbert lead development of the original SNES game as its unreleased sequel, and his company created StarFox Command for DS. It won't likely be involved in any eventual Wii installment in the franchise.Cuthbert says he might be up for another StarFox "maybe in another 10 years," saying that a Wii version would "be a big project, like 100 people on the staff. It's just not something we really want to do. I'm sure someone will make it. Maybe [Nintendo] will go back to Namco." Remember StarFox: Assault? We try not to.
In a slight jab at Shigeru Miyamoto, Cuthbert told G4 that the legendary designer probably won't listen to "core" gamers' wants for a new StarFox, saying, "Miyamoto doesn't really care about that. He wants to make what he wants to make, so he just goes ahead and gets it done." Was that a snap we just heard?
Reader Comments (Page 1 of 3)
Mr Khan @ Apr 4th 2009 5:08PM
Damn straight Miyamoto doesn't listen to the core. That's what makes him awesome. If he listened to us, Nintendo platforms would be just as predictable and boring as everything else (though at least predictably satisfying)
Plus the fact that this guy has no say in more StarFox or not, and he suggested Wiimote on the side for StarFox. Like he's never heard of IR or anything...
AmitZ @ Apr 4th 2009 5:15PM
This.
Windmill @ Apr 4th 2009 5:44PM
No. It makes Miyamoto smart (or lucky, depending on how you look at it) since his crappy Wii Music sold like over 2 million copies. But I'm afraid, that not being able to predict Wii Music as their E3's final kicker, or being able to predict the fact that no stellar, must-have core games (that weren't a port of a N64 game) for last Christmas period because their best designer, Miyamoto, decided to focus his attention on a "toy" and what-not, doesn't make him awesome, nor the company awesome.
On the contrary, Nintendo has become completely predictible, in that you know that every game they release from their 1st party self will now be some shitty "casual" game that will include some sort of prepherial, because we all need another piece of novelty plastic.
warioswoods2 @ Apr 4th 2009 6:15PM
@Windmill
Yawn.
Wii Music, by the way, was one of the only console music games that didn't require a new corny plastic peripheral. Also, it's quite an inventive and polished piece of software, but that's another debate.
I'm glad he's at least alienating fans of your stripe, though; maybe one day you'll completely give up on the company and I won't have to read your tired and badly thought out 'hardcore vs. casual' complaints.
Windmill @ Apr 4th 2009 7:06PM
@ warioswoods2, you're free to hold your opinion.
Quite frankly, I haven't "given" up on Nintendo, because it is not that I hold any faith in Nintendo- they are a COMPANY- who should be open to criticism, and they are not my saviour, nor my buddy. All they want is they want my money. Well, I want fun games, and so like other systems, Nintendo systems still have fun games (albeit these days from 3rd party developers) and so I continue to check in on the news. So I'm afraid that as long as my friend has a Nintendo Wii (the good games for it were so dry in number that we actually decided to just share one, and then buy a PS3 each) I will be checking in, and when I see a comment I disagree with, I shall be posting my thoughts.
Of course, goodness me, disagreeing that Nintendo is brilliant, along with Myamoto, gets you voted down, UNLESS you say that the DSi is terrible.
Moptimus Slime (Gobot in disguise) @ Apr 4th 2009 9:37PM
"On the contrary, Nintendo has become completely predictible, in that you know that every game they release from their 1st party self will now be some shitty "casual" game that will include some sort of prepherial, because we all need another piece of novelty plastic."
you mean like Punch-Out!!!! and ExciteBots and Mario and Luigi RPG 3 (to be fair thats 2nd party) and Pokemon Platinum and when they publish the rest of the Layton series and the Art Style games and Rhythm Heaven and etc?
yep, look at all those dumb games for the dumb casuals who are dumb and dumb Nintendo being predictable with there dumb plastic accesories like a pink plastic hoodie for Punch-Out!!! and a plastic robot for Excitebots and I've started to beat a dead horse.
Also, predictability isn't limited to a series or a genre. If you would've told me they'd make a Mario game for the Wii, I'd call you Master of the Obvious. If you told me that Mario would be in space, I'd call you batshit crazy.
Anti-Villian @ Apr 4th 2009 10:54PM
"you mean like Punch-Out!!!! and ExciteBots and Mario and Luigi RPG 3 (to be fair thats 2nd party) and Pokemon Platinum and when they publish the rest of the Layton series and the Art Style games and Rhythm Heaven and etc?"
Pokemon is the closest thing i see to a core game. Punch out maybe excitebots perhaps but Ready2Rumble and mariokart I'd call casual, my mum plays the latter.
Noshino @ Apr 4th 2009 11:43PM
Moptimus...
"you mean like Punch-Out!!!! and ExciteBots and Mario and Luigi RPG 3 (to be fair thats 2nd party) and Pokemon Platinum"
Hopefully you meant that they are all 2nd party, because Game Freak is 2nd party...
" and when they publish the rest of the Layton series and the Art Style games and Rhythm Heaven and etc?"
3rd party, Online Distribution (cmon), 2nd party, etc etc
"yep, look at all those dumb games for the dumb casuals who are dumb and dumb Nintendo being predictable with there dumb plastic accesories like a pink plastic hoodie for Punch-Out!!! and a plastic robot for Excitebots and I've started to beat a dead horse."
But you were mentioning 2nd and 3rd party games even tho he was talking about 1st party games...
I guess you could have mentioned Prime instead
"Also, predictability isn't limited to a series or a genre. If you would've told me they'd make a Mario game for the Wii, I'd call you Master of the Obvious. If you told me that Mario would be in space, I'd call you batshit crazy."
But its not like it mattered...the space setting wasn't that out of the ordinary as many previous settings are present on the game.
samfish @ Apr 5th 2009 12:06AM
Saying second party games somehow "don't count" is dubious at best. The entire term "second party" is dubious to begin with. All three of the HW manufacturers have derided the term in the past. You're either first party or third party. The only question is what kind of contract you have if you're first party.
The fact of the matter, though, is that even if we accept the term "second party" as legitimate, they still have to operate as though they're under Nintendo's umbrella. IE — they need permission from Nintendo to go ahead with their games.
So to suggest that a "second party" game doesn't count is ludicrous.
TwEE @ Apr 5th 2009 4:02AM
Anti-Villian .."and mariokart I'd call casual, my mum plays the latter."
That's all I can stands I cants stands no more! I really don't want to jump into this bullshit, made up, retarded, casual vs hardcore argument that some of you insist on clinging to like a bunch of drowning rats (I really cannot emphasise how bullshit this argument is). But Whats with the Mario kart put downs? Seriously I don't understand.. Im hearing its too casual to play,.. Is the game beneath you? Is that it? Have you evolved into a being of pure hardcore gamer fuel? Can you even play Mario kart at all? I doubt it..... Ah forget it, Im pretty sure I know whats going on, its just another case of dismissing one of Nintendo's (and gaming in general) classic games because you have a hate hard-on for Nintendo..
Though Im willing to be proven wrong.. if the game is so dumbed down that anybody can win, you should be able to play me online and win at least half of the the time, shouldnt you?.... nener nener nener :P..
But the truth is Mario kart is just a little too advanced for you so called hardcore gamers ain't it? yeah I thought so.
Anti-Villian @ Apr 5th 2009 10:32AM
@TwEE
Sorry mate, didn't mean to cause a stir. I'd love to play you! let me dig up my friend code. 3137-1280-7649.
Seriously off the bat the only 'core' games I can name from Nintendo are Metroid and Zelda. I think the argument is valid and to me its about how 'into' a game you can get. Mariokart is definitely an in between but my mum loves it so I class it casual.
What I want from Nintendo is a new franchise, something built for the wii from episode 1, not another Mii game or another old franchise.
Insight @ Apr 5th 2009 2:03PM
Cuthbert responded to the outrage by saying EXACTLY what Mr. Khan said up there, which I find pretty funny
Slaziman @ Apr 5th 2009 2:52PM
Punch Out!! is a remake (or reimagining might be more appropriate) of a very old game, it'll be fun but hardly the killer app I've been waiting for (emphasis on I). ExciteBots? Excite Truck got a very low metacritic score, why should I care about the sequel? Because it has a cult following around here?
Mario & Luigi will be awesome but I think this was more about the Wii than about the DS (although not explicitly stated by anyone).
About the second party thing, sure they count, but they also have at least some independence of Nintendo, they can think up their own things to some extent, it's not like Nintendo will go around cockslapping all their second party studios and telling them to go casual. So in that sense, the predictability of Nintendo doesn't spill over to the second parties, and thus Windmill was correct in what he said.
SoshiKitai @ Apr 5th 2009 2:56PM
"Excite Truck got a very low metacritic score, why should I care about the sequel?"
.................aaaaand that's why kids these days don't know whether a game's just for them or not: Because they look at a rating and drop it.
If Dodgeball were on metacritic it'd get a sourly-low score due to all the fat@sses downgrading it because of all the times they were pummeled.
Everyone else is too busy playing the d@mn game to care about rating it.
Slaziman @ Apr 5th 2009 3:06PM
If I bought every game that looked kinda okay and had a Metascore like that I'm sure I'd end up with more turds than games that didn't appeal to a vast majority of reviewers but coincidentally did to me. I'd also be living in a dumpster.
SoshiKitai @ Apr 5th 2009 3:25PM
And at the same time, you'd be missing out on gems that most reviewers just didn't get.
If you're all for mainstream games that get mostly mainstream reviews, then that's fine.
But to state that a game's sequel isn't worthy of purchase just because it didn't get good reviews from people who just didn't understand what the game was trying to go for - well, innocently-put: That's just mean.
I guess I'm just on the smaller percentage of the game world where I try to find what's good about a game and play it out to the end - despite what most people grade it. In other words: Liking it cuz it's fun, cuz it's a game.
I'd rather not ask people to rate a sandwich before I eat - because for all I know, they hate pickles and I love pickles.
samfish @ Apr 5th 2009 3:50PM
Personally, Slaziman, I think you're better off finding a reviewer or reviewers that you tend to agree with and go by those recommendations, rather than go by metascore.
For me, if I only went by Metascore, I'd never have discovered games I love, such as God Hand, Kororinpa, Sonic & the Secret Rings, Battle Fantasia and more.
I'd also be saddled with crap that I dislike, such as Braid or Little Big Planet.
SoshiKitai @ Apr 5th 2009 3:52PM
It's nearly impossible to find a reviewer or reviewer group that has the same taste as ya'...
........and I liked LittleBigPlanet. :(
I tend to love creation games, so I'm surprised that a creation game got a good score. Most don't...
Markez @ Apr 5th 2009 10:23PM
Holy hell, holy effing hell. ""Excite Truck got a very low metacritic score, why should I care about the sequel?"
HOLD IT RIGHT THERE, HOLD IT RIGHT THERE YOU SOB. I don't even care who the hell who said that or in what context. GODDAMMIT that was an incredibly awesome EFFING game and whoever relies on a metacritic score to judge it should be banned to playing MFing tiger electronics handhelds in gamer hell.
THAT. GAME. IS. AWESOME.
Slaziman @ Apr 6th 2009 5:42AM
I'm not saying ExciteBots is doomed to fail, I'm just saying I have no reason to be excited for it, specially when I have a PS3 and MotorStorm looks like the same kind of game as Excite Truck, except with much higher production values.
TwEE @ Apr 6th 2009 3:30PM
Ha Anti-Villian.. I didn't mean to come off too serious there.. Don't know if you'll see this but heres my code 4124 5392 0837.
Anybody eles reading this who feels like getting there butt's kicked in mario kart let me know..
BebopFox @ Apr 4th 2009 5:25PM
The only way they could make a Star Fox wii good is if they incorporate flight controls ala-blazing angels (durring all-range mode) and kept with the SNES/N64 on-rails durring normal missions. Unfortunatly, with how bad the Gamecube and DS games were, I'm relieved that they are holding off on it.
Gun Barrier @ Apr 4th 2009 5:38PM
My heart just broke in half. I would play another star fox game if it was made by namco.
no one important @ Apr 4th 2009 8:30PM
So would I. Guess I'm the only one who loved Assault.
RasenganFury @ Apr 5th 2009 2:48PM
I thought assault was really fun. The splitscreen battles were my favorite.
Vegeta (DAT ASS!!!) @ Apr 4th 2009 6:01PM
"He wants to make what he wants to make, so he just goes ahead and gets it done."
This is how Miyamoto always has operated. He doesn't listen to the game industry or gamers for what games he should make. He makes games simply because he thinks they are a good idea and really doesn't care what others thinks of it.
elazo4 @ Apr 5th 2009 6:33AM
exactly. miyamoto is a game designer who wants to explore his creativity. let him be! i would love to play more and more zeldas and marios, but i understand if HE doesnt want to. da vinci wouldnt have painted the mona lisa if he were to keep re-painting the last supper..
Garu @ Apr 4th 2009 6:05PM
At this point I would be very happy to see the SNES Star Fox released for the Virtual Console... and did they mention an unreleased sequel??
warioswoods2 @ Apr 4th 2009 6:08PM
The best game in the series was Star Fox 64, which was developed entirely in-house by Nintendo EAD. This guy, along with the developer he then belonged to, Argonaut, mainly worked on creating the 3D game engine and chip for the original SNES game, but even for that title the game design, level design, etc was all EAD's work.
Wikipedia on the original SNES game:
Main game design was done by Shigeru Miyamoto and Katsuya Eguchi.[5] Argonaut brought the idea of using space ships, and Nintendo suggested the "arcade-style shooting" element of the game.[6] Yoichi Yamada, a level designer for many Nintendo games, laid out and edited the Star Fox maps with a great attention to detail.[6]
I say, good riddance to Q-Games, Capcom, etc, and get EAD back on the case for another fully 1st party entry in the series.
Metayoshi @ Apr 5th 2009 3:51AM
Highly agreed!
Star Fox 64 was definitely the best game in the series.
Nintendo EAD, or at least a branch of it, has been the one's doing the Wii Sports, Wii Music, and Wii Fit games haven't they? If Nintendo Tokyo is part of that division, those are the developers I want to see a Star Fox game come out of. DK Jungle Beat and Mario Galaxy are two of the best games released in most recent two generations, and I'd love to see what kind of stuff they could pull off if given the Star Fox franchise. That division definitely knows what Nintendo's "core" wants. I believe that they can, if anybody can, revitalize the series again.
A little off topic: I'd also love for them (Nintendo Tokyo) to do a Zelda, but Eiji Aonuma's team does that, and even though Majora's Mask was and still is my favorite Zelda game under him, his games are still pretty amazing.
Phenylketonurics @ Apr 4th 2009 6:24PM
I think it's ironic that MY MOM is heartbroken by this news. The woman plays games like Animal Crossing, Tetris, and Mario Kart but desperately wishes for a Star Fox on the Wii.
That's core, man. Especially hearing everyone core whine about how Nintendo ignores them. Totally h-core. In all serious business though, Nintendo ignores no one. It's hard to please all the people all the time and even more so in this fickle generation. Besides, I would rather wait 10 years for a solid Star Fox title than watch 20 people scramble and spit up another Star Fox: Assault.
Noshino @ Apr 4th 2009 6:36PM
I was going to reply that there are many grown-ups that remember StarFox, but this...
"It's hard to please all the people all the time and even more so in this fickle generation."
Bull crap
Please tell me you aren't a blind fanboy, because that is something that HAS been accomplished before, just go look at these 2 very famous consoles called PS1 and PS2, both of which were able to please the hardcore as well as the casual.
Seriously, people need to making up excuses for the Wii/Nintendo's faults...
Matias @ Apr 4th 2009 8:52PM
^^^^^^The ps1 and the ps2 had the same problem of the wii, lots of casual titles and shovelware, and few core titles in between (more than the wii, but that's because the wii only is 2 years old, I have no doubt that more core titles will come, as they did this year).
I never liked starfox that much (they're excellent games, it's only that I don't really like 3D spaceships shooters, they're too hectic and confusing with the extra dmension), but it's sad that Nintendo is neglecting one of their most loved franchises.
Noshino @ Apr 4th 2009 9:49PM
uh, no it wasn't.
Take a look
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronology_of_PlayStation_2_games
the balance between hardcore/casual games was much more balanced than that of the Wii....
Once again, this is a wrong statement, but Wii fans seem to mention it a lot...
samfish @ Apr 5th 2009 12:12AM
The ONLY way you can say the PS2 pleased "casual" gamers is if you limit the definition largely to children and terribly licensed games.
The handful of games on those systems that appealed to what we now refer to as "casual gamers" were all essentially looked upon as failures. The closest thing to a success was Singstar, and that was only popular in parts of Europe.
But, like analog sticks on moern controllers, PS fanboys like to rewrite history, I suppose...
Noshino @ Apr 5th 2009 1:06AM
Are you serious?
ATV Offroad Fury, Buzz!, PaRappa, Ape Escape, and that's off the top of my head...
I could have very well included games that cater to both core and casual gamers as well such as R&C, J&D, the Hot Shot series and many other of Sony's sports games,oh, and EyeToy games as well...
and yah, that's JUST Sony's games...
"But, like analog sticks on moern controllers, PS fanboys like to rewrite history, I suppose..."
Oh, you mean just like how Nintendo fanboys insist that Nintendo created, ahem, brought in analog sticks to their controllers first?
You guys are so good at ignoring facts when they prove you wrong huh?
Moptimus Slime (Gobot in disguise) @ Apr 5th 2009 2:05AM
Nosh, love the double standard on Parappa, ATV Offroad Fury, Hot Shots Golf, any Insomniac game. How is it that when I list games from studios NINTENDO OWNS I'm cheating? Yet you can list games from THIRD PARTY STUDIOS and pass them off as Sony's? Also, its an established fact that gimmicks like the Eye Toy only appeal to those filthy "Casual" gamers.
Sony is left with Buzz!, Jak & Daxter, and MLB 0X: The Show. And for every one of these, you had 10-15 Barbie's Dreamhouses and Movie: The Games.
Noshino @ Apr 5th 2009 2:09AM
but Moptimus, there was no double standard D:
look at what the person that you responded to actually asked:
" in that you know that every game they release from their 1st party self will now be some shitty "casual" game that will include some sort of prepherial"
1st party
that's why I said that you were cheating ._.
Moptimus Slime (Gobot in disguise) @ Apr 5th 2009 2:21AM
and you claimed
"that's JUST Sony's games"
no, those are Insomniacs, Camelots (which, surprisingly, is owned by Nintendo), NanaOn-Sha, and THQs games. You pointed out how even though Nintendo publishes the Layton series (outside Japan) its STILL a 3rd party game. Thats the double standard.
In fact, the games I listed are more of Nintendo's games than ANY of these are to being Sony's games, since Nintendo actually OWNS the people who made them (besides Layton)
Noshino @ Apr 5th 2009 3:03AM
sigh,
Moptimus, Windmill was talking about Nintendo's 1st party development, here Phenylketonurics was talking about complete catalog of the system, hardly the same.
But anyway, I'll answer you.
"no, those are Insomniacs, Camelots (which, surprisingly, is owned by Nintendo), NanaOn-Sha, and THQs games. You pointed out how even though Nintendo publishes the Layton series (outside Japan) its STILL a 3rd party game. Thats the double standard."
Sorry but no, Sony actually owns all of those IPs. Layton, the IP, doesn't belong in any way or form to Nintendo.
"In fact, the games I listed are more of Nintendo's games than ANY of these are to being Sony's games, since Nintendo actually OWNS the people who made them (besides Layton)"
uh, no, Nintendo doesn't actually own most of them:
Punch Out!! - Next Level Games - Not owned by Nintendo
Excite Bots - Monster Games - Not owned by Nintendo
M&L RPG 3 - AlphaDream - Not owned by Nintendo
Pokemon - Game Freak - Not owned by Nintendo
Art Style - skip - Not owned by Nintendo
As for Rhythm Heaven and TNX, I really can't find much information about this studio, so I can't say whether they are or are not owned by Nintendo
oh, and for the record, HAL and Camelot aren't owned by Nintendo either...
TwEE @ Apr 5th 2009 4:10AM
Noshino ...shhh buddy just stop. I like sony too.
metakirbyknight @ Apr 5th 2009 9:22AM
Actually both of those are second party developers meaning Nintendo OWNS THEM!
Noshino @ Apr 5th 2009 10:21AM
Yes, Nintendo owns the IPs (besides Layton), but not the developers, which is what Moptimus said:
"...since Nintendo actually OWNS the people who made them (besides Layton)"
TwEE, enjoy the ride
TruthBringer @ Apr 5th 2009 1:22PM
@Noshino
Talking about fanboys, you are the only bumbling idiot here, talking up how great Sony was. He did not mean that they please all hardcore gamers. All Hardcore gamers are not the same, some favor different games. Nintendo pleases some hardcore gamers some of the time, but it is impossible to please all hardcore gamers, all of the time. Nintendo tries to please as many hardcore gamers as possible, while still attracting new gamers, and the casual folks.
You need to shut up and go visit Joystiq Playstation, where you clearly belong, and stop trying to start a useless flamewar that will acheive nothing.
TruthBringer @ Apr 5th 2009 1:29PM
@Noshino
BTW, Nintendo may not have developed Pokemon, but they do own all the rights to it. Game Freak is just a cover up. Pokemon is owned by the Pokemon Company who is owned by Nintendo.
Do more research before posting half-witted Sony-fanboyish comments.
SoshiKitai @ Apr 5th 2009 2:16PM
*ahem* Time to chime in with my negotiation skills... :
"I like games. They're fun to play."
Noshino @ Apr 5th 2009 3:17PM
"Talking about fanboys, you are the only bumbling idiot here, talking up how great Sony was. He did not mean that they please all hardcore gamers. All Hardcore gamers are not the same, some favor different games. Nintendo pleases some hardcore gamers some of the time, but it is impossible to please all hardcore gamers, all of the time. Nintendo tries to please as many hardcore gamers as possible, while still attracting new gamers, and the casual folks."
and that's the difference, Sony and Microsoft try to please the "hardcore" fans most of the time, while Nintendo focuses on the "casual"
"You need to shut up and go visit Joystiq Playstation, where you clearly belong, and stop trying to start a useless flamewar that will acheive nothing."
Truth hurts huh TruthBringer? If Im as wrong as you claim I am, then you should prove me wrong, and btw, why can't I comment on this section again? as far as I remember, I loved the heck out of my NES, SNES, GBA andm y NGC to a lesser extent, unless they automatically stopped being property of Nintendo I think I can very well post here
"BTW, Nintendo may not have developed Pokemon, but they do own all the rights to it. Game Freak is just a cover up. Pokemon is owned by the Pokemon Company who is owned by Nintendo. "
and...where did I say otherwise?..
I did say from the get-go that the Pokemon IP belongs to Nintendo, what I said that didn't belong to Nintendo were all of those studios, which is what Moptimus was claiming
"Do more research before posting half-witted Sony-fanboyish comments."
Read the comments before replying, or else you ll end up making yourself look like a rabid Nintendo fanboy like you just did now
samfish @ Apr 5th 2009 3:21PM
Nosh, you know as well as I do that the issue of contention isn't whether or not Nintendo invented the concept of analog sticks (they didn't and no one in their right mind will argue that they did), but rather who gets credit for them being in the now standard game pad.
Noshino @ Apr 5th 2009 4:46PM
sam, I know that you never state that Nintendo invented it, I was just poking fun at you,but you also know that often Nintendo fans do claim it, please, don't make me go look through Nando's comment history
Also, I know that its not the invention of the analog stick that is debated, but its implementation like you stated. But the problem arises from the fact that you guys claim that Nintendo was the first one but...this is the chronology of event:
Late 95: Sony reveals the PS Analog Joystick, Dual Analog is also revealed but only through press release
Early 96: Nintendo reveals the N64 controller
April 96: Sony releases the PS Analog Joystick
June 96: Nintendo releases the N64 controller
November 96: Sony shows the Dual Analog controller
April 97: Sony releases the Dual Analog
come on man, based on that, it was clear that Nintendo wasn't the first one, more so because the analog stick of the N64 suffered of many problems, which leads to believe that it was rushed to be released before the competition's
metakirbyknight @ Apr 5th 2009 6:10PM
Hey, I'd consider me and my freind core and I am totally content with my Wii, my DS is another story, but anyway who makes Metroid and Zelda and who makes the multimedia device that happens to play games.