Rumor: Brawl rewrites history
by Chris Greenhough 
{ Mar 24th 2008 at 1:30PM }
And no, not in the way you would expect Brawl to rewrite history. Instead, forum posters over at NSider2 have (allegedly) discovered an unusual glitch in replays of their fights, namely that said replays are showing totally different fights. While the characters and stage remain the same, the moves being executed and the eventual victor are often different.
To demonstrate this, NSider2 member Warchamp7 uploaded a video of the glitch in action (which he finds "very scary"), and the replays do seem to vary. Barmy stuff. So far, this has only occurred on a particular custom-made stage, and not on any of the game's default, Nintendo-themed levels.
Due to the wonders of video-editing and it being that time of year again, we're marking this down as a rumor, but has anyone here encountered similar issues?
Gallery: SSBB gallery three
Read: Original NSider2 forum thread (registration required).
Read: Warchamp7's YouTube demonstration.
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 1)
Kinetix @ Mar 24th 2008 2:10PM
"very wrong" "very scary"
What a loser. It's a minor glitch.
Jonathon @ Mar 24th 2008 4:51PM
The source is NSider2. No one should be shocked. Let's just hope that no one in the thread cut themselves over it yet.
Tom @ Mar 24th 2008 2:14PM
Riiiiiiight. Sure thing man. Then how come EVERY TIME I watch replays (I watch them a lot to learn how my friends fight/how to imporve/ etc.) It's always the same. The victors always the same. The insane fights never change.
Mr Khan @ Mar 24th 2008 2:14PM
It isn't impossible, considering the means it uses to save replays. If it forgets a few commands or events and switches them around, the game engine could come up with a different outcome
RosuNamikaze @ Mar 24th 2008 2:15PM
that video up above..
doesn't he say that 'you can see it's the exact same replay'
when it totally isn't?
the first one was 21 i think?
and the second was 20.
maybe i'm mistaken..
jsa3mm @ Mar 24th 2008 2:35PM
Almost. The first two times the replay is number 21, then on the third and final replay when his "camera dies" the replay is number 20.
therpham @ Mar 24th 2008 4:49PM
I noticed it too. He's definitely playing different replays. The first two times are the last replay in the list (#21, there's nothing to the right of the selection) and at the end of the video after the replay ends and it takes him back to the menu, #20 is selected with #21 sitting to its right.
Failed attempt.
RosuNamikaze @ Mar 24th 2008 5:08PM
pretty badly done then..
pointless even trying to convince anyone if it doesn't even add up..
Covarr @ Mar 24th 2008 5:54PM
The two replays have the exact same date and time. Close examination can show that they are virtually identical in gameplay as well, up until the point where Falco KO's kirby with an up smash in the third one kicking him straight up, but kicks him to the right in the first two videos.
Mauserketi @ Mar 25th 2008 2:49PM
That's not a good argument, because you can make your Wii think it is whatever time you want it to. This is a fake, even if the beginning is almost identical.
Dopple Boppler @ Mar 24th 2008 2:22PM
Doesn't it record matches the same way Super Mario Advance 4 recorded levels? As in it records button presses and the like as opposed to recording actual videos? I remember I used an Action Replay and during a level I used a button combo to get a cape, and then when I recorded it and watched it the recorded version didn't get a cape and then ended up falling down a pit or something. It was amusing.
schuyler @ Mar 24th 2008 2:54PM
I suppose it is possible... I have had a similar problem with replays on a snes emulator but that video looks rather fake
Nigeria: Cody ChesnuTT Defense Force @ Mar 24th 2008 3:01PM
"Something is very wrong guys, and it's very scary".
Mr.ESC @ Mar 24th 2008 3:18PM
Obviously the time continuum has been disrupted creating this new temporally venced sequence resulting in this alternative reality!
Mickey @ Mar 24th 2008 3:06PM
who freakin cares!
Fanatism @ Mar 24th 2008 3:12PM
The same thing happened to me several times with Starcraft, so I'm not that amazed.
PhoenixGeek @ Mar 24th 2008 3:14PM
That last line "Something is very wrong guys, and it's very scary" is one of the stupidest thing I've heard.
On a related note I could see how it might happen with the falling block in the center. If I remember correctly after a race in Mario Kart on the SNES you could replay the race, and I found out that on one of the beach levels if you drive under a jumping fish during the race, and watch the replay, your cart will sometimes hit the fish and spin out. The entire replay is thrown off after that and you'd wind up driving into the water and losing the race.
Jonathon @ Mar 24th 2008 4:50PM
No, I'll go you one better.
"Shadow's racing Mama Luigi! XD"
Remember, NSider2 and NSiderForums.net are all ex-NSiders. They've said dumber stuff in the past. Undoubtedly the reason Nintendo shut the original forums down, since they're all an embarrassment to the corporate types.
Mr.ESC @ Mar 24th 2008 3:16PM
He changed the future and created a diferent dimension in which Kirby is corrupt, and powerful, and married to his mother; and in which this has happened to me!
"Mr.ESC Wins a Nobel prize".
Um ok, well Hill valley was a shitty town anyway. Keep up with the good work.
Alex @ Mar 24th 2008 3:40PM
How is that scary?
Croove55 @ Mar 24th 2008 6:28PM
Suddenly, a man bursts into your house, holds a gun to your head, and demands that you tell him who won every match that you've saved as a replay.
THINK ABOUT IT MAN. YOUR LIFE COULD THEORETICALLY BE AT STAKE HERE.
Mr.Nitemare @ Mar 24th 2008 3:46PM
This video doesn't show anything... it shows the same match twice and the guy saying its not doing the same as when he originally played it...
religiousjedi @ Mar 24th 2008 3:50PM
The only glitch I do know of involves the Bridge of Eldin, a Smash Ball, and Jigglypuff.
Have the puff grab the smash ball, wait for the Twilight Portal to start reforming the bridge, jump in the gap with puff, and unleash smash ball. If done correctly, the bridge will stun puff as she grows big, and she'll stay huge, but will be able to fight again in that form! Yet moving is near impossible, as you can easily kill yourself on the sides...
Props to little bro for finding this.
Shadow31 @ Mar 24th 2008 4:48PM
Um, yeah, not incredibly weird. I've had a few matches on custom made stages play a little differently when replaying... it's simply saving the button combinations, and the custom stages kinda throw it off sometimes, so it's understandable. If it messes up in even one place, the whole video will be thrown off and look different. (Example, mistakes ->B then first, so it runs right, then hits
timbonator @ Mar 24th 2008 5:13PM
I used to experience different replays on Starcraft (maybe it was Warcraft III... it's been awhile...) it was really funny, I would completely whoop the computer and in the replay the computer would just waste me! Will have to play around with the Brawl replays later.
Jeames @ Mar 24th 2008 5:58PM
I have had this happen on a different level... It was a normal Nintendo level. It's not that big of a deal, but i noticed it and was like... Hey!
Not scary, just kinda weird.
Makes me all tingly inside.
Jayenkai @ Mar 24th 2008 6:16PM
As good as the replay data CAN get, with as much compression as they're probably using, there's bound to be a couple of slight discrepancies..
If you're playing, and move the analogue stick from 0 to 256, the game might catch it at 0, 64, 128, 176 and 256.. Note, that's not a sequence..
But it's "near enough" so the replay engine might say something like "0->256 in 5 steps".
This might "look" ok, but it'll be ever so slightly out of sync. Like how video compression occasionally gets those weird splodgy squares and things, until the next keyframe hits.
Things like that are bound to happen, and the only way it won't is if you record every single possible frame of data, and reuse it exactly. And.. well.. you can't compress that too well!
SpiderMike @ Mar 25th 2008 1:02PM
The guy played 2 different replays.
First 2 times it was 21 and then the last time it was 20. Unless mine eyes deceive me, the guy is OBVIOUSLY a chump.
Covarr @ Mar 25th 2008 2:17AM
The two replays, 21 and 20, play exactly the same until a point when Kirby *should* be killed. Even after that, you'll notice that Falco uses the same moves at exactly the same times that he would otherwise, but in the wrong place. The two replays have the same time and date stamp also.
It's likely that he's telling the truth in his video description when he says that he got rid of an old replay that he didn't want anymore in between.
Micah @ Mar 24th 2008 7:12PM
@ Mr. ESC: I think you mean "temporal events sequence," not "temporally venced sequence." Venced is not even a word (in English, anyway - it does mean "you win" in Spanish, though).
wolflink64 @ Mar 27th 2008 12:01AM
This is the wrong video, the original one is Toon Link vs. Kirby. Here it is: http://youtube.com/watch?v=s84hYcQqKGs
Pretty weird, huh?
Mr.ESC @ Mar 24th 2008 8:21PM
I copy/pasted from a fan site with the quotes.
Yeah I also thought that was wrong after I posted it.
Sneezle313 @ Mar 24th 2008 9:00PM
he got his moment of fame, thats all he wanted. props
DasFoote @ Mar 24th 2008 10:59PM
He was just pissed that he lost to Kirby.
Perkoff @ Mar 25th 2008 1:24AM
Oh damn that sucks, I usually spend most of my freetime re watching my matches in SSBB.
User1138 @ Mar 25th 2008 3:31AM
"~Something is very wrong here people~!"
Bwahahahaha OMG I love this guy! Thanks for the laughs Nubb.
This is the wrong post, i did not post this! I never came near the "H" Key.
KaBob799 @ Mar 26th 2008 11:55PM
In that toon link one, how did he know it would play the right one the next time?
And in the falco one he doesnt use the reflector the 2nd time, I think.
They both sound stupid though.
Warchamp7 @ Apr 14th 2008 3:34PM
Oh hello, I'm getting linked on other sites. Coolio
Thank you YouTube redesign with places linking to your videos haha
And yeah, they are the same replays. I had deleted an old home run contest video so the numbers changed. As many have debated, the same moves happen at the same times : /
I plan to go again without any cropping at all to ease the minds of skeptics. In fact, I think I'll go do that now